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01/24/2007 08:30 AM House FISHERIES


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08:40:42 AM Start
08:41:03 AM Overview: Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission
09:41:21 AM Overview: Division of Investments - Commercial Fishing Loan Programs, and Fisheries Enhancement Revolving Loan Program
09:57:11 AM Adjourn
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-Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission
-Division of Investments - Commercial
Fishing Loan Programs; Fisheries
Enhancement Revolving Loan Program
-Division of Worker's Compensation -
Fisherman's Fund
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                        January 24, 2007                                                                                        
                           8:40 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Kyle Johansen                                                                                                    
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Lindsey Holmes                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEWS:  COMMERCIAL FISHERIES ENTRY COMMISSION (CFEC);                                                                       
DIVISION OF INVESTMENTS - COMMERCIAL FISHERIES LOAN PROGRAMS,                                                                   
AND FISHERIES ENHANCEMENT REVOLVING LOAN PROGRAM                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
FRANK HOMAN, Chairman                                                                                                           
Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission (CFEC)                                                                                    
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented the overview for the CFEC, and                                                                   
responded to questions.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
GREG WINEGAR, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Investments                                                                                                         
Department of Commerce, Community, & Economic Development                                                                       
(DCCED)                                                                                                                         
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced the presentation for the                                                                        
Division of Investments, and responded to questions.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
GEOFF WHISTLER, Lending Supervisor                                                                                              
Division of Investments                                                                                                         
Department  of   Commerce,  Community,  &   Economic  Development                                                               
(DCCED)                                                                                                                         
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Presented the overview for  the Division of                                                               
Investments,  the Commercial  Fisheries  Loan  Programs, and  the                                                               
Fisheries Enhancement  Revolving Loan  Program, and  responded to                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PAUL   SEATON  called  the  House   Special  Committee  on                                                             
Fisheries  meeting  to  order at  8:40:42  AM.    Representatives                                                             
Edgmon, Johansen, and  Holmes were present at the  call to order.                                                               
Representatives Wilson and  LeDoux arrived as the  meeting was in                                                               
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:  COMMERCIAL FISHERIES ENTRY COMMISSION                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:41:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
an  overview presentation  from  the  Commercial Fisheries  Entry                                                               
Commission (CFEC).                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:41:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK HOMAN,  Chairman/Acting Commissioner,  Commercial Fisheries                                                               
Entry  Commission  (CFEC),  Alaska  Department  of  Fish  &  Game                                                               
(ADF&G), began by giving a brief  history of the CFEC.  Referring                                                               
to a  handout titled  "30 Years of  Limited Entry,"  he explained                                                               
that  in 1972,  a constitutional  amendment allowing  for limited                                                               
entry passed.   In 1973, the limited entry law  was enacted.  The                                                               
aforementioned  law  allowed  permits  to be  issued  to  natural                                                               
persons  who are  gear operators.    These permits  could not  be                                                               
leased,  encumbered,  or used  as  collateral  for loans.    Most                                                               
limited entry permits  are freely transferable.   He also pointed                                                               
out  that limited  entry permits  are  a privilege,  and are  not                                                               
property.   The  Internal  Revenue Service  (IRS),  he said,  has                                                               
previously attempted  to seize permits in  the past.  The  IRS is                                                               
able to attach the earnings, he said.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:46:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked  if the aforementioned constitutional                                                               
amendment or the limited entry law specified "natural persons."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN  replied that the constitutional  amendment "suggested"                                                               
this, but it was not specifically stated.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  offered her understanding that  there is a                                                               
scallop   fishery  which   allows   corporations   to  hold   the                                                               
aforementioned permits.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN  replied that this  is correct.   He stated  that there                                                               
are  currently two  "experimental fisheries"  which allow  vessel                                                               
permits.  This was primarily  a conservation issue.  He explained                                                               
that these  fisheries have  a number  of "elite  skippers," which                                                               
would have  resulted in  a large number  or permits.   Therefore,                                                               
the legislature allowed the vessels to be licensed.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN, in  response to questions from  Chair Seaton regarding                                                               
the IRS, clarified that only the  earnings from the permit can be                                                               
attached, not the  permit itself.  He explained that  the IRS has                                                               
access  to seize  any  earnings produced,  although  this is  not                                                               
"spelled out."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:50:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked for further clarification.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN  explained that the money  received from the sale  of a                                                               
permit could  be seized  by the  IRS.   The claim  is not  on the                                                               
permit, but  on the individual.   He then went on  to discuss the                                                               
transferability of permits.  Permit  holders are free to transfer                                                               
permits to  family members  or any  other person  who is  able to                                                               
participate  in the  fishery.   Transfers  often  occur by  gift,                                                               
inheritance, or  sale.  If  by sale,  the value is  determined by                                                               
the  private sector  market.   He explained  that transferability                                                               
resulted  in   maintaining  high  percentages  of   residents  in                                                               
Alaska's fisheries.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:53:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN, in response to  a question from Representative LeDoux,                                                               
explained  that  the  state monitors  the  transfer  of  permits,                                                               
adding that transfers  are restricted to persons who  are able to                                                               
actively  participate  in  the   fishery.    The  state  collects                                                               
information regarding the  permit sales, which is  published on a                                                               
monthly basis, in addition to an annual transfer study.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked whether  there are  certain criteria                                                               
with respect to active participation in the fishery.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN replied that the  individual must certify that they are                                                               
able to actively  participate, adding that if the  state is aware                                                               
that  the  individual  cannot   actively  participate,  then  the                                                               
transfer is not allowed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:56:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  inquired as to whether  certain conditions                                                               
are allowed during the sale or transfer of a permit.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN replied no.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON asked if permit  transfers and returns are monitored                                                               
to prevent leasing.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOMAN replied  yes.   Situations involving  yearly transfers                                                               
are  investigated  to  ensure  that  leasing  is  not  occurring.                                                               
However, emergency  transfers are allowed  if there is  a medical                                                               
emergency.    Once the  medical  condition  improves, the  permit                                                               
[must be returned].                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  asked for clarification  that this only  applies to                                                               
medical  emergencies,  and can  not  be  used simply  because  an                                                               
individual decides to participate in a different fishery.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN agreed  that this is correct.  He  added that temporary                                                               
transfers are  not allowed.   He said  "you have to  choose which                                                               
fishery you're going to participate in."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX offered her  understanding that there is no                                                               
distinction between resident versus non-resident transfers.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN replied that this is correct.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX inquired  as to  the percentage  of salmon                                                               
permits held by residents versus non-residents.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:59:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOMAN  replied that  this  information  is included  in  the                                                               
annual transfer  report, which  would be  discussed later  in the                                                               
presentation.   He  also  noted  that the  majority  are held  by                                                               
Alaska  residents.   He pointed  out  that permits  tend to  stay                                                               
within families,  adding that this is  "particularly important in                                                               
rural Alaska."   Also, he  noted that the Division  of Investment                                                               
and the Commercial Fisheries and  Agricultural Bank loan money to                                                               
residents for  the purchase  of permits.   He then  explained the                                                               
structure  of   the  CFEC.     There  are  four   main  sections:                                                               
adjudications, licensing,  research, and  information technology.                                                               
He commented that  due to budget constraints, the  staff has been                                                               
reduced from 41  to 29 employees, adding that it  is difficult to                                                               
recruit new  staff.  Several  senior staff members have  left the                                                               
CFEC  for federal  jobs.   The  CFEC has  been  able to  generate                                                               
enough revenue from  fees collected to cover the  majority of the                                                               
CFEC budget, and only uses a small amount of general funds.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:03:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOMAN  moved on  to  discuss  the  amount of  limited  entry                                                               
permits held by Alaskans and  non-Alaskans.  Originally, he said,                                                               
13,000 were held  by Alaskans, while 3,000 were  not.  Currently,                                                               
around 11,000  are held by Alaskans,  and 3,000 are held  by non-                                                               
Alaskans.  He  then discussed a slide titled  "Permit Holdings at                                                               
Initial Issuance  & Year-End 2005."   He stated that  although it                                                               
is not  shown on the  slide, 57  percent of Alaskan  held permits                                                               
are held by individuals living in rural areas.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX inquired  as  to why  there are  currently                                                               
less permits than were originally issued.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN replied  that there are about 1,700  fewer permits than                                                               
were  originally  issued.    He explained  that  several  of  the                                                               
original   permits  were   non-transferable.     Non-transferable                                                               
permits  "cease to  exist" at  the  death of  the permit  holder.                                                               
This usually  occurs in fisheries where  the applicants outnumber                                                               
the  available permits,  particularly  in the  salmon hand  troll                                                               
fishery.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:06:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN  then explained  the summary of  net changes  in permit                                                               
ownership from 1975 to 2005.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON, in  regard to  state-authorized lenders,  asked if                                                               
this "has been  a pretty static number ... or  a transient amount                                                               
that stays about the same."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN replied that the  number changes often, adding that the                                                               
lenders tend  to move  the permits, rather  than hold  onto them.                                                               
Referring  to a  slide  titled "Alaska  Communities with  Highest                                                               
Number  of  Issued  Permits,"  he  stated  that  this  shows  the                                                               
difference in  the number of  permits originally  issued compared                                                               
to the  permits held  in 2005.   He pointed  out that  the shaded                                                               
numbers indicate an  increase in permits held  in that particular                                                               
area.   The next slide, he  said, shows the communities  with the                                                               
highest number  of permits at  year-end 2005.  He  commented that                                                               
Anchorage  holds  the highest  number  of  permits, followed  buy                                                               
Petersburg.    Moving  on, he  discussed  the  communities  whose                                                               
permit  numbers  have   decreased.    He  pointed   out  that  in                                                               
Ketchikan,  the decrease  was due  to the  non-transferable hand-                                                               
troll permits.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:11:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN  went on to  discuss the communities with  the greatest                                                               
net  increase  in  permit  holdings.   Homer  shows  the  largest                                                               
increase.    Moving   on  to  the  next   slide,  titled  "Alaska                                                               
Communities with the  Greatest Number of Permits  Per Capita," he                                                               
pointed out  the importance of  limited entry permits  to smaller                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX inquired  as to  whether any  studies have                                                               
been  done to  show  why certain  areas have  had  a decrease  in                                                               
permits.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN replied that this  information is not available at this                                                               
time, although each  community would have different  reasons.  He                                                               
added  that the  CFEC  can  research any  community  in order  to                                                               
gather this information.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:13:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOMAN returned  to the  aforementioned  slide, pointing  out                                                               
that Petersburg  has a larger number  of permits per capita.   He                                                               
added that this is a "very  active fishing community."  In regard                                                               
to  permit  transfer rates,  he  stated  that  this is  about  10                                                               
percent  per year.    In rural  Alaska, he  said,  49 percent  of                                                               
transfers are  gift transfers.   Correspondingly, he  said, rural                                                               
Alaska has the  lowest number of sale transfers.   He pointed out                                                               
that  non-residents and  residents show  similar amounts  in most                                                               
categories.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  inquired  as  to whether  a  gift  transfer  would                                                               
include estate inheritance.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:15:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN  replied in  the affirmative.   Moving  on to  the next                                                               
slide,  titled "Relationship  in  Transfers  by Resident-Type  of                                                               
Recipient," he pointed out that  49 percent of transfers in rural                                                               
Alaska are to  immediate family.  He pointed out  that 70 percent                                                               
of transfers  within rural Alaska are  between friends, immediate                                                               
family, or  other relative.  In  regard to the sources  of permit                                                               
financing, he pointed  out that the [Division  of Investment loan                                                               
programs] and the Commercial Fishing  and Agriculture Bank (CFAB)                                                               
are the  "source of  financing for a  significant portion  of the                                                               
transfers," adding that non-residents  are not eligible for these                                                               
programs.  Continuing  on, he noted that  transfer recipients are                                                               
younger  than the  transferor, while  the average  age of  permit                                                               
holders is increasing.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  commented  that  in  1980,  the  average  transfer                                                               
recipient was  33-34 years,  while currently,  this age  is 39-40                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:18:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN  stated that this  information would also be  shared at                                                               
the upcoming "Alaska Young Fishermen's  Summit."  This summit was                                                               
created  by the  Alaska Sea  Grant Marine  Advisory Program  (Sea                                                               
Grant)   and  is   intended  to   encourage  and   stimulate  the                                                               
involvement   of   younger   fishermen   within   the   industry.                                                               
Continuing  on, he  discussed the  success of  the limited  entry                                                               
program.   The program has  protected Alaska's fisheries  from an                                                               
influx  of  outside  fisherman, along  with  generating  positive                                                               
economic benefits  for fishermen.   In addition, this  system has                                                               
survived constitutional challenges.   In regard to efforts toward                                                               
restructuring   the   salmon    fisheries,   he   explained   the                                                               
experimental board regulations for the Chignik Cooperative.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX inquired as to  whether the CFEC intends to                                                               
"get  involved"  with legislation  that  may  revive the  Chignik                                                               
Cooperative.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN replied no.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:21:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOMAN, returning  to his  presentation,  explained that  the                                                               
board has allowed  two permit holders to fish  a single operation                                                               
with additional  gear in  Bristol Bay, in  order to  reduce fleet                                                               
size.   This  has  "worked to  an  extent."   The  board may  now                                                               
consider  allowing  a  person  who  holds  two  permits  to  fish                                                               
additional gear.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:22:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  inquired as to  whether this has  activated "latent                                                               
permits."    He questioned  whether  this  allowance resulted  in                                                               
"cutting  boats  out of  the  fishery"  or activating  additional                                                               
fathoms of net in the water.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN replied that no analysis has been done.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON requested  that this  information be  considered in                                                               
order to have a better understanding of the results.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:24:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOMAN,  in regard  to  allowing  an individual  holding  two                                                               
permits to fish additional gear,  stated that while the board may                                                               
allow  this, no  action has  been  taken.   In addition,  private                                                               
buyback legislation has been passed.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  requested  information  on the  number  of  active                                                               
permits within the fishery.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN stated that this information is available.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:27:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON opined  that if  the  state is  buying back  latent                                                               
permits, it  is not  reducing the fishing  effort, but  is simply                                                               
reducing  the  amount  of  licenses that  are  available  in  the                                                               
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN  agreed, adding that  one intention behind  the buyback                                                               
is to  prevent an  influx of  licenses, should  the circumstances                                                               
improve.   He  then  discussed the  next  slide, titled  "Explore                                                               
Refinements."   The  limited entry  process  remains a  primarily                                                               
owner-operator based management system,  and is most effective in                                                               
salmon fisheries.   The system is less useful  in fisheries which                                                               
are  managed  by  a  quota.   In  response  to  a  question  from                                                               
Representative  LeDoux,  he  explained  that  the  aforementioned                                                               
fisheries have many  relief skippers, and each  relief skipper is                                                               
able to apply  for a permit under the individual  system, and may                                                               
be ranked equally under the "point system."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:31:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX opined  that this may only apply  to "a few                                                               
boats."   She said "you might  have other boats where  nobody had                                                               
enough  points,  just  like  when you  did  the  original  salmon                                                               
limited  entry.   There  must  have been  people  with boats  who                                                               
didn't get  permits.  So, I  guess I'm having a  hard time seeing                                                               
the difference."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN  replied "You  have a much  larger group  of applicants                                                               
[on boats] where  you have more than one skipper.   If there were                                                               
fifty vessels ...  and 100 skippers eligible, and they  all got a                                                               
permit, you'd have 100 vessels out  there.  And that's one of the                                                               
difficulties.  We haven't figured out ... a way to fix that."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  added that  the  hearings  on  the hair  crab  and                                                               
scallop fisheries would go into more detail on this issue.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:33:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOMAN  explained  that  the  limited  entry  procedures  are                                                               
structured so  that the number  of allowable permits  per fishery                                                               
is  determined  by  the  maximum  number.    In  response  to  an                                                               
additional  question,  he  stated  that "maximum  number"  is  in                                                               
current statute  and has been upheld  by the courts.   Moving on,                                                               
he explained the legal constraints  on the limited entry program,                                                               
regardless of  the system.   The  constitutional clauses  are "in                                                               
tension" with each  other regarding equal access  and the state's                                                               
ability to  limit.  No  special provisions  may be made  based on                                                               
residency or location.  He encouraged  the members to take a look                                                               
at the CFEC  website, which offers additional  information on the                                                               
limited entry program.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON noted  the  availability of  the  CFEC 2005  Annual                                                               
Report, and asked whether a 2006 report would be available.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOMAN replied  that the  reports are  made available  in the                                                               
spring of  each year.   He also noted that  the permits are  on a                                                               
licensing year, rather than a fiscal year.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:38:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOMAN,  in  response  to   a  question  from  Representative                                                               
Johansen   regarding  the   adjudication  process,   stated  that                                                               
previously,  900  cases  were before  the  hearing  officers  and                                                               
commissioners.  This number has dropped to 160 cases.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked if case status can be viewed online.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOMAN replied that this  information is not available online;                                                               
however, the CFEC can provide it at any time.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:40:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
a  presentation   from  the  Division   of  Investments   on  the                                                               
Commercial Fishing  Loan Programs  and the  Fisheries Enhancement                                                               
Revolving Loan Program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:   DIVISION  OF INVESTMENTS  - COMMERCIAL  FISHING LOAN                                                             
PROGRAMS, AND FISHERIES ENHANCEMENT REVOLVING LOAN PROGRAM                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:41:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREG WINEGAR,  Director, Division  of Investments,  Department of                                                               
Commerce,  Community, &  Economic Development  (DCCED), explained                                                               
that the days presentation would  include information on the loan                                                               
programs  available, as  well as  background  information on  the                                                               
Division of Investments.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:41:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GEOFF  WHISTLER,  Lending  Supervisor, Division  of  Investments,                                                               
Department  of   Commerce,  Community,  &   Economic  Development                                                               
(DCCED), began by listing the  various loan programs administered                                                               
by  the division.    These  programs, he  said,  create jobs  for                                                               
Alaskans and  provide a  revenue stream  back to  the state.   In                                                               
addition, the division provides  loan servicing in six portfolios                                                               
for three  other state agencies, including  the Alaska Industrial                                                               
Development and  Export Authority  (AIDEA), Department  of Health                                                               
and Social  Services (DHSS), and the  Department of Environmental                                                               
Conservation  (DEC).    As  of  fiscal year  2006  (FY  06),  the                                                               
division has a total of 2,996  active loans, the balance of which                                                               
have  a total  principal  of  over $216  million.   The  division                                                               
consists  of two  branches:   Lending and  Systems.   The lending                                                               
branch reviews  and processes new loan  applications, in addition                                                               
to  handling collections  and foreclosures.   The  systems branch                                                               
handles the general accounting for the division.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:44:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WHISTLER then  discussed  the  Commercial Fishing  Revolving                                                               
Loan Fund  (CFRLF), enacted  in 1972.   He briefly  discussed the                                                               
sections  of  the  statutes  which  authorize  the  CFRLF.    The                                                               
division has  committed a  total of 6,328  loans, with  over $393                                                               
million in total  dollars committed.  In response  to a question,                                                               
he clarified  that currently, there  is an  outstanding principal                                                               
balance of $216 million.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:49:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WINEGAR,  in  response  to   questions  from  Chair  Seaton,                                                               
explained that  the majority  of loans  given come  from interest                                                               
earned  on loans  over  the years.   The  $60  million has  "been                                                               
leveraged into  almost $400 [million]  and ... more than  the $60                                                               
million  has been  paid back.  ... It's  all been  generated from                                                               
earnings off of that fund, over  the years."  He stated that "far                                                               
more"  money is  coming than  is being  given out.   Over  recent                                                               
years, excess earnings have gone to pay for other programs.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON commented that  while in the past, attempts                                                               
have  been made  to eradicate  this program,  it is  important to                                                               
consider how it has positively affected other areas.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHISTLER  then discussed the Fisheries  Enhancement Revolving                                                               
Loan Fund (FERLF),  enacted in 1976.  The intent  of FERLF was to                                                               
finance salmon  operations, along with capital  expenditure needs                                                               
for private non-profit  hatcheries in Alaska.   The interest rate                                                               
on these  loans is "prime" plus  1 percent, and is  not to exceed                                                               
9.5  percent.   The current  rate, he  said, is  9 percent.   The                                                               
division  has currently  committed  over $133  million, with  321                                                               
outstanding accounts.   This is a total  outstanding principal of                                                               
$121  million.    He  referred to  the  FERLF  Program  Overview,                                                               
stating that  this contains  further details.   The  2006 program                                                               
overview should be available in March, he said.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON informed the committee  that the Department of Labor                                                               
& Workforce  Development (DLWD) report  on the  Alaska Commercial                                                               
Fishermen's Fund  would be discussed  at a future hearing  due to                                                               
the lateness of the hour.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:54:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHISTLER  stated that the  division also maintains  two small                                                               
business  loan  funds:   the  Rural  Development Initiative  Fund                                                               
(RDIF)  and the  Small  Business  Economic Development  Revolving                                                               
Loan  Fund (SBED  RLF).    These programs  are  AIDEA owned,  and                                                               
provide small  business loans to rural  or economically repressed                                                               
communities.   The RDIF is  for businesses in communities  with a                                                               
population of 5,000 or less.   The SBED RLF is a "matching loan,"                                                               
which provides funding  for one-third of the  total project cost.                                                               
These programs  have helped  retain or save  260 jobs  across the                                                               
state.   In regard to  fiscal year 2008  (FY 08), he  stated that                                                               
the division  will play an  important role in efforts  to promote                                                               
economic development  in rural Alaska.   The  accomplishments for                                                               
FY 06  include:   approval of 169  commercial fishing  loans, two                                                               
fisheries enhancement loans, 16 RDIF loans, and 9 SBED loans.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:57:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WINEGAR, in response to  a question from Chair Seaton, stated                                                               
that while the division has  been working with Bristol Bay Native                                                               
Association   (BBNA)  and   Bristol   Bay  Economic   Development                                                               
Corporation(BBEDC)  over  the past  two  years  in an  effort  to                                                               
create a loan guarantee program, nothing has been finalized.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  requested that  further information  regarding this                                                               
program be submitted to the committee.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Fisheries  meeting was  adjourned at  9:59                                                               
a.m.                                                                                                                            

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